Comments on: The Truth About Online Poker Rakeback

By: Mike

Mike — Sat, 23 May 2009 21:40:53 +0000

Hi, nice posts there thank’s for the interesting information

By: Randy

Randy — Tue, 05 May 2009 13:24:17 +0000

Yeah that is plus the player commission. Again, that’s is one of the misunderstood things about rakeback. But that is going direct. if you go through PAS or RU, then you start out at 5%, but you can always negotiate to get higher.

By: Roger

Roger — Tue, 05 May 2009 08:18:32 +0000

“The truth is that with the exception of Full Tilt Poker, almost any room with give you between 20% -35% commission when you are giving players rakeback.”

Is that on top of what the player is getting? If so, that’s very new to me, but I dont follow rakeback…

By: Rakebackftw

Rakebackftw — Tue, 05 May 2009 04:12:16 +0000

Spot on as always Randy. 5-7% can be a huge amount for some players. I have guys who I make less than 5% off who still bring me in $300+ a month.

By: Unknown Webmaster

Unknown Webmaster — Tue, 05 May 2009 03:24:54 +0000

Great post, however, I don’t agree about the rake race part.

I were writing a long comment about it, but it ended up growing out of control so I set up a blog and posted it there instead

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By: Alan Aces

Alan Aces — Mon, 04 May 2009 19:10:27 +0000

Randy,

Wow that was a fantastic post. I started out as a rakeback affiliate and had many of the same misconceptions as non-rakeback affiliates.

I still remember long 16+ hour days on AIM handling customer service. The insane need to respond to every email as soon as possible.

I learned over time that if you build up trust with your players, in time they wont need much customer support at all.

I will gladly give out my personal cell phone number to some of my biggest players, knowing they will only call me if its really important.

MJ is spot on about UB/AP. I run both of those through PAS myself, and probably wouldn’t promote them otherwise.

Amazing post, thanks for sharing.

A A

By: SmartRakeback

SmartRakeback — Mon, 04 May 2009 16:20:04 +0000

I agree with almost all of this post but would add that AP/UB are the only two rooms that aren’t available on an automatic rakeback plan.

What this means plain and simple is that rooms other than FT/AP/UB take care of the support and payments to players. This is GREAT for the business because no affiliate can simply stop making payments or run with an affiliates MGR, and this is how it should be.

I realize big affiliates have interest in protecting the “need” for affiliates and promos and support – but the flat out truth is it will be better for our industry if this is not the issue.

This is why player forums are full of “can I trust this affiliate” type of queries, and it’s not “ideal”.

I look forward to the debate of a lot of people more knowledgable than me in this thread, but I know there needs to be serious change in the rakeback industry that accomplishes to things:

a. giving all players the best deal available, it is stupid for cardrooms not to facilitate this somehow.

b. deal with the issues of affiliates breaking caps and offering rakeback on non allowed rooms.

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